Georgia Trend repeats the BIG LIES - A Rebuttal – Commentary by Steve Scroggins
Special Note: Our high-tech BS-detector immediately alerted us to the distortions and misleading information in Neely Young's Georgia Trend. Below you see the meter reading from its proximity to the Georgia Trend link below.
Young's article includes no orignal lies; instead he repeats the old Lies which are addressed below.
Georgia Trend: "The Embattled Battle Flag" by Neely Young

First let me say that Young's article is not 100% BS. I'd like to commend him for actually getting the names of the flags correct,
which is more than many so-called writers can accomplish. Apparently, Young does know the difference between the "Stars and Bars" and the Battle flag. That's some consolation.
That about does it for my positive comments.
Young repeats the usual litany of lies:
1. The Confederate battle flag represents "hate" as is recognized around the world as such.
2. Georgia's 1956 flag change (to include the battle flag) was driven by racial malice and desire to defy federal desegregation orders
3. Denmark Groover's 2001 comments prove assertion #2 above.
4. The state flag issue will be resolved by the rigged referendum March 2nd.
Young begins with the ridiculous assertion that the Confederate flag is recognized as a "symbol of hate"
in Europe and Ireland. On the contrary, East Germans and many Eastern Europeans in the Baltic Republics flew the Confederate Battle flag as a symbol of defiance to tyranny and a desire for
independence from Soviet rule. Perhaps it escaped Mr. Neely's notice that Northern Ireland has been seeking independence from the U.K. for some time now. If the Irish were using
the Confederate flag as a "symbol of hate," to whom exactly is this "hate" directed?
The Confederate Battle flag is also known as The Cross of St. Andrew. St. Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland and Russia. Does Mr. Young mean to suggest
that the flag of the U.K. and the Russian naval flag are flags of "hate?" I don't think he is. An argument could be made that English ships flying the Union Jack were the first to bring slavery to North America, but I don't think that's
what Young had in mind.
As I've noted already, the Confederate flag (St. Andrew's Cross with stars on the saltir) is recognized around the world as a symbol of independence. I suspect that the government of the United Kingdom has no problem with the Cross of St. Andrew since it's incorporated in their empire's flag. The Union flag of the UK is comprised of three flags superimposed on one another,
the Cross of St. George (England), the Cross of St. Patrick (Ireland) and the Cross of St. Andrew (Scotland). The Brits may view the Irish acts of violence and terrorism as "hate" but not the flag in question.
In Canada, the Confederate flag flies all around French Quebec where many Canadians
have long desired independence from the rest of Canada. There are photos of South African Zulus flying the Confederate flag as a symbol of their desire for independence. Numerous African national flags and Caribbean flags
incorporate the Cross of St. Andrew. You see, folks, only in the United States do we have
a significant number of misinformed dupes and malicious demagogues who describe the Confederate flag as "a symbol of hate." Why is that? That's a subject for another column.
Young recaps the history of the Georgia state flag, more or less accurately, until he inserts BIG LIE #2 and BIG LIE #3. Young briefly covers the charge and retreat on the state flag by Gov. Zell Miller and then he stumbles into the follies of one-term Gov. Roy Barnes.
Barnes decided to make the change after he visited the governor of South Carolina in late 2000. That governor had removed the Confederate battle flag from the top of the South Carolina Capitol. Barnes saw with his own eyes the terrible impact the Confederate battle flag fight was having on that state.
Young goes on to tell us that people were "strongly debating each other." I shudder at the thought. Beyond the terrible fate of "strong debate," what other terrible consequence did Barnes see for South Carolina?
Boycotts? Don't make me laugh. Tourism revenues are up all over South Carolina. The NAACP boycott of their state is widely viewed as a joke. Boycotts are a bogie man that Georgia "New South" Chamber types trot out for the purpose of scaring Georgians. Surrender your honor now or you might lose a few bucks! That wouldn't be inspiring to me, even if it were true.
I should also point out that the NAACP reneged on their implied bargain. Their boycott demanded the Confederate flag be removed from the Capitol building. It was. The flag was moved to a memorial site on the Capitol Grounds. Give them an inch and they want a mile. Next, the NAACP continued to demand that the flag be removed from the Capitol grounds altogether. Move it down the street, and they'll just demand it be removed from Columbia, then the state...and on and on.
Since their tourism revenues are up (as a result of the boycott?), I imagine South Carolina officials are hoping it will continue. They'll probably recommend to all their Chamber members that they send contributions to the NAACP so they can keep the boycott going indefinitely.
Now I'll address BIG LIE #3 on Denmark Groover. It has been repeated countless times since 2001 and it remains just as false today as it was then. Let's review.
Denmark Groover made some ambiguous statements in 2001 that many writers have claimed is postive proof of racial malice in the 1956 flag change. However, these 2001 remarks are insignificant when compared to numerous remarks Groover has made in public and in sworn affidavits under oath in which Groover clearly and emphatically states that the flag change was NOT about racial malice or defiance of federally ordered desegregation. Below are a sampling of those remarks and their sources.
First, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (AJC) carried a story on Jan.25, 2001 which quoted Groover at length. Groover said that in 1956, the new flag was passed by the Senate 43-1. By the time the bill reached the floor of the House, opposition had developed, primarily from the United Daughters of the Confederacy. The UDC preferred to retain the pre-1956 flag because of its resemblance to the 1st National flag of the Confederacy. As traditionalists, the UDC didn't want the battle flag involved in any official modern government or to be perceived in any way as a symbol in any modern politics. Groover is then quoted as saying about the 1956 flag change, “I presented the matter to the House, and because of the opposition, I probably used some rhetoric indicating that the new flag was to symbolize our defiance of the action of the federal judiciary on matters of race.” Emphasis on the word “probably” is mine.
These remarks above pale in comparison to the volume of remarks Groover made over his long career from 1956 to 1994. Groover was quoted extensively thoughout his career on this flag issue. Numerous quotes from the AJC and The Macon Telegraph from 1956, 1972, 1987 and 1993 were unequivocal.
On March 9, 1993, Groover took to the floor of the Georgia House to challenge then Gov. Miller’s proposal to change the 1956 flag. He admitted the obvious that segregation was a heated topic in 1956 and added,
“But those who now say that the legislature was obsessed with the matter of segregation to the exclusion of all other matters know not of what they speak…”
[Groover's March 9, 1993 remarks to the GA House are attached as Exhibiit A to his 1994 deposition quoted below.] Groover listed numerous appropriations made to fund historical markers and the Stone Mountain memorial in preparation for the tourism expected to accompany the 1961 Centennial Observances for the War Between the States.
Groover went on to say,
“To now conclude that the flag was adopted primarily as a symbol of segregation is justified only in the minds of those who, for their own purposes, would teach one segment of our population to hate another because of the faults of their ancestors. How was the flag bill passed? And why? It was designed by John Sammons Bell who was then the Chairman of the state Democratic Party and who now says that the issue of segregation was not in his mind...."
Groover pointed out that some of the most outspoken segregationists in the state at that time voted against the 1956 flag change.
Here’s what Groover said under oath in his deposition in a 1994 federal court case (James Andrew Coleman vs. The State of Georgia and Governor Zell Miller) :
“I have no personal knowledge which would dispute the purely historical motives which were expressed then and since by the sponsors and others involved with the legislation when it was introduced in the Senate. While I cannot say that the Supreme Court's rulings regarding desegregation played absolutely no role in my decision to support the bill in the House, I can say that segregationist sentiment was not the overriding or even a significant factor in my vote concerning the new flag, or, based on personal observation and knowledge, in its ultimate adoption by the House....”
Shouldn’t we believe Groover's decades of public comments that are consistent with his sworn testimony? Shouldn’t we believe Judge Bell, Governor Vandiver and many others who have emphatically stated their motives for the 1956 flag change were honorable? Of course we should.
But writers like Young and many others continue to repeat this BIG LIE, concluding that Groover's ambiguous 2001 remarks nullify decades of contrary statements and sworn testimony.
I'm running long, so I'll jump right to Young's closing words.
Whichever flag is chosen, Georgians on both sides of the issue should breathe a sigh of relief that our state will reach closure on a turbulent time. I will vote for the "Royal Blue." Former Gov. Roy Barnes won the John F. Kennedy "Profiles in Courage" award for his efforts to end divisions between the races. My vote will honor him.
That's quite a close for Young. Here he repeats the most popular lie of 2004 (Big Lie #4), suggesting that the flag issue will be resolved by the rigged March 2 referendum.
Read the following sentence ten times or until it sinks in: It won't be over no matter what happens March 2.
Mr. Young wants to honor one-term Roy Barnes with his flag vote in a rigged referendum. How sweet. Methinks that the $23 million campaign warchest promised to Barnes by the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce
had more to do with Barnes' decision than any "courage" on Barnes' part. Barnes apparently believed his supporters' assertion that he would be politically invincible with such a warchest.
Unfortunately for Barnes, it's VOTES that win elections, not money.
Young tops off his desire to honor a slimy politician with his endorsement of the "Ugliest Flag in North America." Enough said.
I'm sure that Young realizes a victory March 2nd for the Blue rag won't restore it to official status. That ugly flag
doesn't have a snowball's chance of being restored as the official state flag. Does anyone in Georgia seriously think that a majority of the General Assembly will vote on the record (and in light of the 2002 elections) to restore the Ugliest Flag in North America? And, if they did,
would the Governor sign it? Dream on.
Now, if the ugly blue rag won in a Fair Vote against all the leading contenders, that would be another story. The legislature and the People would have to respect that. Let me emphasize here that this "commentary" is my opinion and does not represent the official
position of GHC. GHC is endorsing no one particular flag. My words do not disguise my contempt for the 2001 Barnes flag which I see as the embodiment of corruption. Ditto for the 2003 flag. But my contempt is even greater for those politicians who will sell out for personal gain and thwart the will of the people. I support the will of the people of Georgia.
If the people of Georgia---in a FAIR VOTE----choose Mickey Mouse on a field of hot pink as their flag, so be it. Can I make it any clearer? A FAIR VOTE is the only thing that will settle the issue. The March 2 referendum is an insult.
There is poetic justice in the fact that the Gold Dome politicians are having regular heartburn and nightmares about a Blue rag victory. They don't have a fall back plan....unless you count the Fair Vote bill. The best course any sane legislator could make right now, before March 2, would be to sign on in support of a Fair Vote.
Sign up now before the stampede! If you let your "insurance policy" expire, things could get very dicey. New districts. Angry voters. This summer will be very interesting.
Steve Scroggins
is Adjutant of the Lt. James T. Woodward Camp 1399, Sons of Confederate
Veterans, in Warner Robins, GA and a frequent GHC contributor of parody
and political cartoons and graphics.